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CollyWolly · 6th February 2012, 01:37 PM

When it comes to animation, the process is similar to game models. You build a low poly mesh and use a high density mesh as normal maps. If I was to up the detail on this model, I would consider taking her into Mudbox or zBrush and increasing the detail there.
The difference between gaming modelling and animation modelling is that you need to be a little more frugual with the way you do your texture mapping etc in gaming. They can't be too big. Normally you don't need to get up close to the gaming character, whereas you do with the animated character.

CollyWolly · 10th February 2012, 04:12 PM

I thought I might include something for Ros to stand on once she's rigged. So I built a TigerLily.

Eden · 10th February 2012, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CollyWolly

When it comes to animation, the process is similar to game models. You build a low poly mesh and use a high density mesh as normal maps. If I was to up the detail on this model, I would consider taking her into Mudbox or zBrush and increasing the detail there.
The difference between gaming modelling and animation modelling is that you need to be a little more frugual with the way you do your texture mapping etc in gaming. They can't be too big. Normally you don't need to get up close to the gaming character, whereas you do with the animated character.

Many thanks for the reply and info....nice Tiger Lily by the way, and an interesting idea!

Mook · 10th February 2012, 09:44 PM

That Tiger Lilly is great, Colly. Simple, clean mesh and the texturing really sells it. Great stuff!
Only thing I could recommend is maybe upping the resolution of the textures if they are going to be seen that close, but they still fit the part great.

Rigel · 10th February 2012, 10:07 PM

Beautiful flower, Colly.

CollyWolly · 11th February 2012, 04:11 PM

Good plan Mook.

Thanks Rigel and Eden.

CollyWolly · 27th March 2012, 03:07 PM

Some of you have been wondering what happened to Ros.
Well, She's in the throws of being rigged. I'll post these up to show you where I'm up to. Nearly finished.

Eden · 28th March 2012, 04:05 AM

Good to see that you are still work on her! I have yet to play with any sort rigging for animation is it as complicated as it looks?

CollyWolly · 28th March 2012, 01:57 PM

Its not something I do often, so when I do its like putting my brain through a blender. That's why its taking so long

Eden · 28th March 2012, 02:39 PM

sigh…I have all this to look forward to then

May have to use this as my new tag line!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by CollyWolly

Its not something I do often, so when I do its like putting my brain through a blender.

bmckain · 28th March 2012, 04:11 PM

Looking great! Good going.

Pete Paterson · 28th March 2012, 04:45 PM

Excellent model, and lovely flower. Enjoyed watching this.

CollyWolly · 2nd April 2012, 08:14 PM

There are two possible approaches.
You could create extra detail through modelling or in Mudbox/zBrush and then apply them to the base mesh as a normal map. This doesn't get in the way of the animation.
If, however, you wanted animation in the pleats of the dress, you may need to add further detail to the base mesh. The amount of detail will depend on what you want as a result and how long you are prepared to wait for the software to catch up to your animating and keyframing.

CollyWolly · 3rd April 2012, 11:28 PM

Had a bit of a downer today.
There's an issue with Maya 2011. The ability to change the input order is broken. So when I added some blend shapes, the curves I was using for lip deformation stopped working.
The issue is resolved in Maya 2012. So, in order for me to continue with rigging the head, I need to upgrade.

Hopefully get that sorted in the next few days.

Pete Paterson · 4th April 2012, 03:50 AM

Thats a bummer, least you have a solution.

CollyWolly · 4th April 2012, 02:04 PM

For a bit of theropy I changed the skirt texture.

Eden · 5th April 2012, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CollyWolly

Had a bit of a downer today.
There's an issue with Maya 2011. The ability to change the input order is broken. So when I added some blend shapes, the curves I was using for lip deformation stopped working.
The issue is resolved in Maya 2012. So, in order for me to continue with rigging the head, I need to upgrade.

Hopefully get that sorted in the next few days.

Wow, that's so not cool...sure you will be back on track in know time...like the updated texture to the skirt...now all you have to do are the socks

Afalk · 6th April 2012, 04:08 AM

I like the new texture and am really looking forward to your next update (Maya issues notwithstanding!)

CollyWolly · 6th April 2012, 06:23 PM

Thnakyou.

I should be up and running early next week, all going well.

The socks you reckon? Hmmm. Might have to think about that.

Woody · 6th April 2012, 07:03 PM

Great job on this CollyWolly, she's got lots of attitude! As for not being able to change input order in 2011, wtf? I mean, if it isn't broken in 2010, why mess with it?

CollyWolly · 9th April 2012, 09:12 PM

Being able to change the input order is necessary for the facial animation to work between spline based rigging and blend shapes. I am currently using Maya 2011 and this feature is broken. (I tried a work around but no joy.) Moving over to Maya 2012 will fix it.

CollyWolly · 10th April 2012, 03:29 PM

Yay. Maya2012 is now installed.

Trucking on. Hopefully getting close to the end.

Eden · 11th April 2012, 05:36 PM

Cool looking forward to seeing your next update, did you have to un-install Maya 2011 to get 2012 installed

CollyWolly · 11th April 2012, 09:39 PM

Its always better to do so but I have had various versions installed before. This time around I chose to just have 2012 installed. Nice and clean.

6th February 2012, 01:37 PM	#31
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	When it comes to animation, the process is similar to game models. You build a low poly mesh and use a high density mesh as normal maps. If I was to up the detail on this model, I would consider taking her into Mudbox or zBrush and increasing the detail there. The difference between gaming modelling and animation modelling is that you need to be a little more frugual with the way you do your texture mapping etc in gaming. They can't be too big. Normally you don't need to get up close to the gaming character, whereas you do with the animated character.
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10th February 2012, 04:12 PM	#32
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	I thought I might include something for Ros to stand on once she's rigged. So I built a TigerLily. Attached Thumbnails
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10th February 2012, 09:44 PM	#34
Mook Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Posts: 1,559	That Tiger Lilly is great, Colly. Simple, clean mesh and the texturing really sells it. Great stuff! Only thing I could recommend is maybe upping the resolution of the textures if they are going to be seen that close, but they still fit the part great.
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10th February 2012, 10:07 PM	#35
Rigel Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: London (the other one, in Canada) Posts: 17,674	Beautiful flower, Colly.
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11th February 2012, 04:11 PM	#36
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	Good plan Mook. Thanks Rigel and Eden.
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27th March 2012, 03:07 PM	#37
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	Some of you have been wondering what happened to Ros. Well, She's in the throws of being rigged. I'll post these up to show you where I'm up to. Nearly finished. Attached Thumbnails
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28th March 2012, 04:05 AM	#38
Eden Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: united kingdom Posts: 767	Good to see that you are still work on her! I have yet to play with any sort rigging for animation is it as complicated as it looks?
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28th March 2012, 01:57 PM	#39
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	Its not something I do often, so when I do its like putting my brain through a blender. That's why its taking so long
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28th March 2012, 04:11 PM	#41
bmckain Wire Junkie Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Boise, ID. USA Posts: 15,398	Looking great! Good going.
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28th March 2012, 04:45 PM	#42
Pete Paterson Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK Posts: 327	Excellent model, and lovely flower. Enjoyed watching this.
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2nd April 2012, 08:14 PM	#43
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	There are two possible approaches. You could create extra detail through modelling or in Mudbox/zBrush and then apply them to the base mesh as a normal map. This doesn't get in the way of the animation. If, however, you wanted animation in the pleats of the dress, you may need to add further detail to the base mesh. The amount of detail will depend on what you want as a result and how long you are prepared to wait for the software to catch up to your animating and keyframing.
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3rd April 2012, 11:28 PM	#44
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	Had a bit of a downer today. There's an issue with Maya 2011. The ability to change the input order is broken. So when I added some blend shapes, the curves I was using for lip deformation stopped working. The issue is resolved in Maya 2012. So, in order for me to continue with rigging the head, I need to upgrade. Hopefully get that sorted in the next few days.
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4th April 2012, 03:50 AM	#45
Pete Paterson Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK Posts: 327	Thats a bummer, least you have a solution.
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4th April 2012, 02:04 PM	#46
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	For a bit of theropy I changed the skirt texture. Attached Thumbnails
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6th April 2012, 04:08 AM	#48
Afalk Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Chicagoland, USA Posts: 878	I like the new texture and am really looking forward to your next update (Maya issues notwithstanding!)

6th April 2012, 06:23 PM	#49
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	Thnakyou. I should be up and running early next week, all going well. The socks you reckon? Hmmm. Might have to think about that.
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6th April 2012, 07:03 PM	#50
Woody Administrator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Foundation 3D Posts: 2,881	Great job on this CollyWolly, she's got lots of attitude! As for not being able to change input order in 2011, wtf? I mean, if it isn't broken in 2010, why mess with it?
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9th April 2012, 09:12 PM	#51
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	Being able to change the input order is necessary for the facial animation to work between spline based rigging and blend shapes. I am currently using Maya 2011 and this feature is broken. (I tried a work around but no joy.) Moving over to Maya 2012 will fix it.
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10th April 2012, 03:29 PM	#52
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	Yay. Maya2012 is now installed. Trucking on. Hopefully getting close to the end.
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11th April 2012, 05:36 PM	#53
Eden Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: united kingdom Posts: 767	Cool looking forward to seeing your next update, did you have to un-install Maya 2011 to get 2012 installed
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11th April 2012, 09:39 PM	#54
CollyWolly Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 782	Its always better to do so but I have had various versions installed before. This time around I chose to just have 2012 installed. Nice and clean.
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