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Old 28th Mar 2018, 01:13 AM   #31
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If you find it, you better sell it off while you still can to get the latest because the days where you render with NON PBR materials are OVER !
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 07:48 AM   #32
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So in the end I only spent about $7,400 and am still getting one hell of a machine. I'm pretty excited!
"Only" 7400$ for a machine with only 10 cores?

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Well, I split the difference and went for the 10-core... its the best bang for the buck performance wise ......
That is by far not the best bang for the buck.
I spent less than 2000$ for a 16 core AMD Threadripper PC. You could buy 3 of those machines for 7400$ and if you link them together those 48 cores would vastly outperform the 27.000$ 32 core Linux machine you mentioned.
You could even buy 2 AMD Epyc Server CPUs with 32 cores each, an appropriate dual socket mainboard, ram, graphics card etc and you would still have some money left of those 7400$.
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 02:07 PM   #33
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If you find it, you better sell it off while you still can to get the latest because the days where you render with NON PBR materials are OVER !
Well there's a reason I haven't touched it in a long time. Had an interest but not really much aptitude, or maybe it was time. And with two small kids and a commute I really don't have the time!
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Old 4th Apr 2018, 02:35 PM   #34
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But I now work somewhere where I get to see plenty of cool 3d shit on a regular basis, so there is that.
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Both, remodel and retexture. There are minor errors on the old model that you don't see in LW 9.6, but coming out as big errors in Lightwave 2018. You can see it in the left image below. The rear part of the secondary hull has in this image a visible error, but they are spread all over the model.
The second image shows the Enterprise almost reworked. Most of the errors are done and the model has been almost retextured. The ship lights have to be updated.
That re-worked version for 2018 looks beautiful. Are all the surfaces on this mesh now done with the Principled BSDF shader?
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"Only" 7400$ for a machine with only 10 cores?


That is by far not the best bang for the buck.
I spent less than 2000$ for a 16 core AMD Threadripper PC. You could buy 3 of those machines for 7400$ and if you link them together those 48 cores would vastly outperform the 27.000$ 32 core Linux machine you mentioned.
You could even buy 2 AMD Epyc Server CPUs with 32 cores each, an appropriate dual socket mainboard, ram, graphics card etc and you would still have some money left of those 7400$.

LOL, I am SO not getting into an argument with a username on the internet... you clearly have no idea what a workstation class machine is, so I'll just giggle and move on.
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Old 12th Apr 2018, 01:49 PM   #37
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LOL, I am SO not getting into an argument with a username on the internet... you clearly have no idea what a workstation class machine is, so I'll just giggle and move on.
Oh excuse me your majesty and i am not getting into an argument with someone who claims that a 10 core machine for 7400$ is the best bang for the bucks.
This could have been a productive discussion, you chose to be conceited and arrogant.
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PC ≠ Workstation, Lemon.
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PC ≠ Workstation, Lemon.
I gave specific examples with server grade hardware, maybe you didn't notice.
Besides the apple device which was mentioned is using a plain Intel Xeon CPU which has the same architecture as the Intel Core line of CPUs. The performance is the same.
If you pick your components wisely you can build yourself a machine with way more than 32 cores for a fraction of the mentioned 27.000$ using the AMD Epcy platform. And no this is not pc grade hardware.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 04:36 PM   #40
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Servers aren't workstations, either.
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Old 13th Apr 2018, 04:43 PM   #41
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Servers aren't workstations, either.
They do however share most of the hardware components.
Workstation, Servers thats just ways of using hardware. You have to look at the big picture here about which components are being used.
It doesnt matter if you are using for example a Core-i9 CPU, An Intel Xeon W or an Intel Xeon Platinum CPU. They are all based on the same architecture. The only major difference is that Xeon platforms offer support for ECC memory and have more memory channels.
Even the most expensive Xeon has the same FPU units, the same support for stuff like AVX, SSE2 etc as the plain consumer versions. And if both are clocked the same speed you wouldnt notice any difference during rendering.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 02:37 PM   #42
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 10:14 AM   #43
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Heres some additional information on the subject.
I just found an interesting article on AnandTech about recommended CPUs and platforms for workstations.
This is really an interesting read.

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As mentioned before the terms "consumer platform, workstation, server" dont mean a lot when you look at the components being used in these machines.
Consider this the iMacPro is advertised as a workstation but its using a server grade Intel Xeon CPU.
Heres a screenshot directly from the Intel Product page.


Further this Intel Xeon W-2150B 10 core CPU inside the iMacPro workstation is based on the Skylake microarchitecture which is the same one being used in the IntelCore i9-7900X 10 core CPU. The only difference is added ECC memory support for the Xeon. One is a server product the other a desktop product, yet they deliver the same performance.
So whats a server, workstation, desktop pc? Is it what brands like Apple say it is? No it depends on what you put in it ,if you are assemble it yourself. These days the boundaries between all of these categories is rather fluid and the reason why it doesnt make sense to limit oneself to these.
Btw heres some other thing to consider when owning an iMacPro.
Apple refused to fix an iMacPro
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