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Old 20th Jan 2018, 03:07 PM   #61
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I'm all for swearing in everyday life, but do agree that moment felt unnecessary and un-Trek. It made me cringe a bit, more because it just felt out of place than because I'm morally objecting to it or anything like that.

I am quite enjoying the series though, the season arc storytelling does allow for plot and character shakeups that a 22 episode story-of-the-week structure doesn't, and I like that about it. I like the sets and aesthetic, I just wish the ship design and space stuff was better, the designs are uniformly awful IMO.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 06:31 PM   #62
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Over on the TrekBBS, one of the posters has been drawing up hybrid designs using the arrangement of the DSC Klingon ships, but with TOS styling. I think they look great. There are some clear shots of the show designs from Eaglemoss on this page.

If I were to do a model of the Discovery, I'd definitely give it the TOS-style markings it had in the last few promo shots before the series came out and they switched back to the TMP style. I feel like a squared off nameplate and orange nacelle domes would go pretty far in making it fit in with the original Enterprise (at least as well as, say, the Galaxy and the Sovereign make sense next to each other).
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 03:31 AM   #63
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The first mirror episode was the only good episode of this so far - uncomplicated story, which flowed reasonably well. (was this the Frakes episode?)

The whole klingon impersonator thing worked fine in TOS, not so well in TNG (how many times did they 'surgically alter' people to fit in as aliens? Worf seemed to take it without complaint! I wouldn't work in starfleet if they did that.) But in this, the klingons have been radically altered. Personality wise, and looks - with that massive head.

Seriously, a klingon altered to look human so that a human doctor with all that tech can't determine that he's NOT human? And being convincing enough with a human personality? Come on, that's just stupid. I'd have bought a human who has been brainwashed and a traitor by his torturers - that might have had some interesting relevance to todays political landscape, but that..... no.

This is written by idiots. Grown up ST needs to be grown up, and that includes really awful sci-fi ideas being thrown out. A bloody mushroom drive? Inter-dimensional mycellium network? Just no. Step one should have been a focus on the people, not the technology to make it a drama.

Anyway, I'll watch it until season end and then moan about it some more I guess. Roll on Tarantino. At least he writes coherent stories, so there's hope for the next movie.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 03:37 AM   #64
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Over on the TrekBBS, one of the posters has been drawing up hybrid designs using the arrangement of the DSC Klingon ships, but with TOS styling. I think they look great. There are some clear shots of the show designs from Eaglemoss on this page.

If I were to do a model of the Discovery, I'd definitely give it the TOS-style markings it had in the last few promo shots before the series came out and they switched back to the TMP style. I feel like a squared off nameplate and orange nacelle domes would go pretty far in making it fit in with the original Enterprise (at least as well as, say, the Galaxy and the Sovereign make sense next to each other).
Atolm is a machine. The entire community here could spend years modelling his stuff.

My favourite so far. I'm very tempted to do this as my first LW2018 model.....

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Old 4th Feb 2018, 01:10 PM   #65
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I've seen the Federation ships, they don't look anything like TOS, maybe the Kelvin universe.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 08:31 PM   #66
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I just saw something on ANOVOS website that shocked me, — NCC-1031 U.S.S. Discovery, Crossfield Class Studio-Scale Starship Filming Miniature and they expect people to pay $9,000 for this one and $8,000 for the U.S.S. Shenzou. This is nuts.
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Old 12th Feb 2018, 08:08 AM   #67
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So guys, what did you think of the Enterprise? General consensus seems to be positive, it seems to borrow a lot from Gabe Koerner's version.
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Old 12th Feb 2018, 02:39 PM   #68
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Images of it. Dunno I do not see much of gabe in it but more of other online work like that alt connie dennis did I think as a refit? I think there are hints of the Franklin in it. The most annoying thing in this show is the typeface. All the "1"s are wrong.























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Old 12th Feb 2018, 05:45 PM   #69
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I like it. It is a nice update of the original design that is pretty respectful of that design. Honestly, they could have done a lot more to change it and they didn't.
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I'm not a fan. My biggest issue is they jacked up the silhouette by shortening the neck, and I think the overlarge detailing makes it look blobby and toy-like. The TMP nacelle struts are also not great. I agree they look better swept back, but they also don't look like the original Enterprise. It also doesn't seem to fit that well in with the other DSC ships, which were all very, very modular. I've heard part of that was to ensure the Enterprise would look unique, but they've made it too unique. It's like they grabbed a fan model from on-line and just dumped it into their show.

As for the episode itself, I thought it was overly rushed and pat with a wildly anticlimactic and implausible ending to the season arc, and the half-assed excuse for a cliffhanger made them seem desperate and self-concious. Even if they were committed to having a TOS crossover next year, they should've just saved it for next year, rather than committing themselves in the finale in the worst ways possible. Not that that's against type, they also got rid of the three characters with the most depth and potential, though they all have ways to come back, if they regret writing them off that much.

I was really enjoying DSC, but it's not great for my fanning that the last two episodes of the season were also the worst two episodes of the season.
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Old 12th Feb 2018, 08:56 PM   #71
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I like it, I have looked at all the ships from this show and have not liked many of them (except the Shenzou) I still don't like the show. I got the free trial and watched the episodes but wasn't impressed. How will they do a TOS crossover? I will like to see the updated bridge from the Enterprise.
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 05:11 AM   #72
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I do not think much of it, but have not see detailed enough images to decide. No chance it will revert to the 2264 version???
need a new thread, but what to change on a Sinclair model to get to the DSC version?
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 09:27 AM   #73
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What they did here is no more than the most basic stuff that most of us think of first in "redesigning" the Enterprise. It looks old and unimaginative now.

  • Start with Jefferies' Phase II redesign lines (carried through to the Probert/Michaelson ship for TMP);
  • Chop a couple of decks out of the interconnecting hull, because since TNG we all seem to expect a sleeker, or at least lower, profile;
  • Put blue "spill light" on those inner nacelle grilles;
  • Exaggerate the hull textures;
  • Add in a lot of point illumination, ala TMP.

I won't suggest that any of my work is any better, because I do pretty much exactly this stuff, with variations. And while I like Gabe's work in general I've never been a fan of his Enterprise.

I will say that I see better, more imaginative design rethinking of this ship, while being pretty faithful to the origiinal, almost every day here and on other sites like Sci-Fi Meshes. There was better stuff being done back at 3DGladiators. Madkoifish's is among the most excellent examples out there - every time I decide to take a crack at this, I realize that there are a dozen cool things that I can't do without imitating either MKF or Vektor, and then I give up.
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I agree about MKF version but he is a 3D genius. I also like the USS Challenger in the recourse section.
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I was referring to the ncc 800 I think. I cannot find any space renders anymore all of the trekbbs results are 404 as the hosting site is gone. She predates all the reboot foolery.



lol I see it as we feed on eachother. I soaked up ideas and ways of modeling by lurking about on the fourms in the early 2000s Finding stuff like Deks NX-01 build on sfm and what not.

The neck on this STD ship seems shorter visually too because of that mustang impulse deck is eliminating the interconnect to the saucer. In a way it killed off some of the complex curves that the neck produced where it intersects the hull.
And the show is less for it if the whole pancake fleet is a result of the avoid the connie verticality of parts.

I have to say my reconnie is just influenced design from Gabe's version 1 model and the trailer for the 09 film where it looked like we would get fanblade bussards on a mostly TMP hull.
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I was referring to the ncc 800 I think. I cannot find any space renders anymore all of the trekbbs results are 404 as the hosting site is gone. She predates all the reboot foolery.

The Phoenix is one of my favourite redesigns. This new Enterprise looks nice but it looks like ST:TMP era, not TOS. But I do like this design.
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I'm not sure about anything in Discovery. Maybe, I'm just being and old fogie, but it really doesn't feel like Star Trek to me. Anyway, I had the opportunity recently to work with the filming model for the Discovery itself. Not at all what I expected from a modeling standpoint.
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I'm not sure about anything in Discovery. Maybe, I'm just being and old fogie, but it really doesn't feel like Star Trek to me. Anyway, I had the opportunity recently to work with the filming model for the Discovery itself. Not at all what I expected from a modeling standpoint.
Can you say why?
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Some of it was extremely elegant and some of it seemed extremely rushed. Made me wonder if they had different modelers working on it.
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I'm not sure about anything in Discovery. Maybe, I'm just being and old fogie, but it really doesn't feel like Star Trek to me. Anyway, I had the opportunity recently to work with the filming model for the Discovery itself. Not at all what I expected from a modeling standpoint.
The relentlessly grim tone doesn't feel remotely trek like...
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trekmovie analysis: https://trekmovie.com/2018/02/17/a-c...rek-discovery/
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He likes the thing too much.
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He likes the thing too much.
Unfortunately true.
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Who built the model of the Poenix?
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What Phoenix? allegedly John Eaves made the altered Enterprise.
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What Phoenix? allegedly John Eaves made the altered Enterprise.
The ship image in MKF's post above. It's in F3D's resources. I also used it as a ship destroyed by an asteroid in a render I did a while back.
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Phoenix is a F3D resource but not any DSC ships?
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I'm sure they will be. I'm mildly surprised that I have not yet seen anywhere on line a good available mesh for either Discovery or the U.S.S. Orville.
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I'm mildly surprised that I have not yet seen anywhere on line a good available mesh for either Discovery ...
There is a really good blender model of the Discovery out there made by Chris Kuhn.
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There is a really good blender model of the Discovery out there made by Chris Kuhn.
It's also available in either fbx obj or 3ds, I don't remember without looking on my PC and I'm on my iPad. I imported it in Lightwave and textured it, it's not bad but could use work.
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