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Old 27th Jul 2017, 09:08 AM   #61
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Guardians of The Galaxy, Volume 2 is now available for pre-order on Amazon UK, but 26.99!!! Come on, that's just taking the urine!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07...TXL&ref=plSrch
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The perils of early adoption... I'll wait until OLED 4K TVs with HDR are available for reasonable prices, by then Ultra HD blu-rays will be under $20 easily!
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Guardians of The Galaxy, Volume 2 is now available for pre-order on Amazon UK, but 26.99!!! Come on, that's just taking the urine!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07...TXL&ref=plSrch
Finally got Guardians today, which brings my collection up to 30 movies!
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I bought it in Tesco for 25. Having moved house recently, I still haven't set up my sound system. Must do that.
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Won't get a chance to watch it until Thursday, as I'm working 10 hour shifts today and tomorrow.
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Serenity is coming out in 4K next month
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Serenity is coming out in 4K next month
What? Surely that must be an upscale. Hope not. I love that movie.
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Got Terminator 2 pre-ordered...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07...vRL&ref=plSrch
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Does anyone know how these 4K versions are handled? Because the vast majority of films are not mastered at 4K, so there is no 4k source to draw from. I've only ever worked on one 4K film, most others are 2K or shot on something like the Arri Alexa which comes out at close to 3K.

I'm assuming there must be some combination of upscale and a post-process sharpening?
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In the case of Serenity the film had a 2K intermediary for editing/color/FX, so if they want to get it in actual 4K then they would have to rescan the original film and redo a bunch of stuff, so it's likely we will only get the 2K master. But it'll also have DTS:X audio so it'll be better than what you would have gotten in theaters when the movie came out.

For other stuff, if it's older then it would have been done entirely on film and they would can scan it to 4K. Even current movies rarely output to 4K, since most people don't notice a difference so there's not that many 4K UHD releases from a 4K source. You can check online to find a list of movies that are true 4K.
What's sad is there's movies like Star Wars Episode 2 & 3 that were shot at 1080p digital so the current Blu-Ray release is the best it's ever going to be.
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Does anyone know how these 4K versions are handled? Because the vast majority of films are not mastered at 4K, so there is no 4k source to draw from. I've only ever worked on one 4K film, most others are 2K or shot on something like the Arri Alexa which comes out at close to 3K.

I'm assuming there must be some combination of upscale and a post-process sharpening?
Also, bear in mind, that a lot of the difference in how good it looks is the HDR.
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Unless you have two TV's to compare, you probably won't notice a difference with HDR honestly. It really just looks more like someone adjusted things with Photoshop
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Perhaps one day well get to the point where the hardware is so good, the resolution so great and clear,..... we wont be able to watch anything from before 2015
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Unless you have two TV's to compare, you probably won't notice a difference with HDR honestly. It really just looks more like someone adjusted things with Photoshop
All of my 4K movies includes a separate 1080p Blu-ray, and therefore I'm in a position to see the difference between the two... I can definitely tell that the HDR on the 4K disc is truly stunning (I still think T2 Trainspotting has the best HDR I've ever seen... Edinburgh has never looked better!).

I agree, the source resolution can make a difference, but with a good HDR presentation viewed on a good 4K TV, the experience can be completely breathtaking... Take a look at Logan Noir, for example... The brightness and contrast on that disc is beyond description!
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I agree. The skies in Oblivion are sublime in the HDR version.
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Also, bear in mind, that a lot of the difference in how good it looks is the HDR.
Right, but that's TV driven. The larger range of exposure is there in the source material, it's just been encoded out of 1080p bluray copies and added back into the HDR compatible versions because people are now buying TVs that can take advantage of it That's not adding or changing the quality of the source or uprez-ing anything, which is what I was asking about.

Logan for example was shot on the Arri Alexa which shoots at 2880x2160 usually, a fair bit below true 4K. So by what process is the 4K release made 4k?
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The closest thing I've seen to information on how sub-4k masters are put out as 4k blu-rays is the Real or Fake 4K site, which doesn't have any specifics beyond the fact that there's some kind of up-rezzing involved. It's a bit helpful, though the pixel density isn't as important to me as the HDR. The only screen that's big/close enough that I'd see the resolution difference is on my computer, and I don't think there's a compatible 4K drive or ripping/viewing solution available yet.
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There is actually a UHD Blu-Ray drive, I was looking into screenshot options when I saw the news of Serenity 4K

However--due to their protection software they don't allow screenshots in the playback software. Usually you could get around that with something like AnyDVD HD which allows you to play Blu-Ray discs from software like VLC where you can take screenshots, but that option isn't available yet for UHD Blu-ray.
The alternative is to use a 4K capture device where you capture the HDMI output from a 4K player.
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Slightly off topic, but have been looking at replacing the sound bar with something a wee bit more sophisticated: https://www.richersounds.com/tv-home...vd-player.html

I think Onkyo is a pretty decent brand, and it's reasonably priced for a Dolby Atmos-compatible package - the main concern for me is if the decoder is able to retain the HDR signal or not, otherwise I'll have to look at other options.

If this meets my needs then the Sky HD box, PS4 Pro and the Panasonic 4K Blu-ray player will all be hooked up to this.
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I have that receiver, but with slightly different speakers. It works great and supports HDR and 4K, the only issue I have is with the CEC setting which is something for convenience since it allows the receiver to turn on when other HDMI devices turn on but it seems to eventually develop a bug where you don't get any audio from some input formats and it requires a reset to get it working again. Because of that I have to have the CEC setting turned off and so I have to use the receiver remote to turn it on.
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I have that receiver, but with slightly different speakers. It works great and supports HDR and 4K, the only issue I have is with the CEC setting which is something for convenience since it allows the receiver to turn on when other HDMI devices turn on but it seems to eventually develop a bug where you don't get any audio from some input formats and it requires a reset to get it working again. Because of that I have to have the CEC setting turned off and so I have to use the receiver remote to turn it on.
That's good to know, thanks. Will be at least closer to Christmas, unless I can get plenty of overtime in to pay for this!
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Don’t think twice about it. I honestly find good sound makes a bigger difference to immersion than good picture. Regarding the receiver retaining HDR, I’ve always just put sound through the receiver and piped picture straight to TV from whatever source.
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Dont think twice about it. I honestly find good sound makes a bigger difference to immersion than good picture. Regarding the receiver retaining HDR, Ive always just put sound through the receiver and piped picture straight to TV from whatever source.
Completely forgot the Panasonic player has a audio-only HDMI output...

Still trying to persuade the other half about the virtues of a decent sound system - hopefully there's decent multi-channel audio on her PS4 Pro games, as I think some (especially the Naughty Dog titles) support DTS.
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Dolby Atmos is pretty cool--though I'm not sold on the speakers that are supposed to bounce the overhead audio off the ceiling. I've only noticed it once with Cabin in the Woods where they're in the elevator you can hear the audio there pretty good. The Atmos demos on Xbox One are pretty good too.
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Dolby Atmos is pretty cool--though I'm not sold on the speakers that are supposed to bounce the overhead audio off the ceiling. I've only noticed it once with Cabin in the Woods where they're in the elevator you can hear the audio there pretty good. The Atmos demos on Xbox One are pretty good too.
My boss (a former BBC sound engineer) has suggested getting a decoder that supports DTS X, but I think that'll incur a considerable price increase. In addition, Dolby Atmos seems to be the primary audio format on 4K Blu-ray anyway.
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It might already support DTS X, I was watching a movie that had that and from what I remember it was displaying the info correctly as to the format. Though one downside of the receiver is that it can't get the firmware upgraded so if it doesn't support DTS X then it never will.
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It might already support DTS X, I was watching a movie that had that and from what I remember it was displaying the info correctly as to the format. Though one downside of the receiver is that it can't get the firmware upgraded so if it doesn't support DTS X then it never will.
I'll probably stick to the Onkyo kit, as it seems to offer a lot for under 600.
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Just received my Onkyo 575. What a machine for the money. Hoping to get it wired up today, if not the weekend. 349.
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Man the new Amp sounds amazing. The DolbyAtmos (upward pointing) speakers arrived yesterday. Will cable them up this evening and see (or hear) what they are like. So good to have my good sound back.
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Any chance for a pic of your setup?
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