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Old 25th Sep 2017, 12:11 AM   #1
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I really liked it. Two episodes in and I like that it's doing something different. Thumbs up so far, we'll see how it proceeds

I just hope CBS' decision to put this out on a subscription service nobody wants doesn't sink the show with it.
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I really liked it. Two episodes in and I like that it's doing something different. Thumbs up so far, we'll see how it proceeds

I just hope CBS' decision to put this out on a subscription service nobody wants doesn't sink the show with it.
Not seen it yet, but it is on Netflix. That is not the subscription service you are revering too, right?
I haven't switched on the "normal" TV for 2 years now. Just saying.

Will have a look at the first two episode in the evening. *eager*
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Not seen it yet, but it is on Netflix. That is not the subscription service you are revering too, right?
I haven't switched on the "normal" TV for 2 years now. Just saying.

Will have a look at the first two episode in the evening. *eager*
Nope, Netflix has a wide user base and a lot of great content, CBS all access is new and has Discovery and..... nothing else worth the subscription fee. It's a stupid business decision to try the subscription model on a network without good content, it can't last against far better competition.

Also it's probably the CBS viewing/subscription figures that'll be the driving force behind Discovery getting future seasons, not how well it fares on Netflix internationally. Partly because Netflix isn't transparent about its viewing figures, but also because the US viewer numbers will matter far more to the studio than international. If the show was awful and only lasted a season because of quality then fine, but if it's good but only lasts a season because it's sabotaged by bad business decisions that's not cool, that's Firefly all over again.

Can't get it on Netflix here in Canada anyway.
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Nope, Netflix has a wide user base and a lot of great content, CBS all access is new and has Discovery and..... nothing else worth the subscription fee. It's a stupid business decision to try the subscription model on a network without good content, it can't last against far better competition.
I read an interesting theory that All Access is probably less about being a viable platform that makes money directly, and more a negotiating cudgel against Amazon, Netflix, and others. Basically, they CBS wants to be able to say during their next negotiation that they got so many people to pay $7 a month (for the months of October and November 2017) just for their own content, so they deserve more money for licensing it out to dedicated streaming services.

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Why is she called Michael?
That's a Bryan Fuller creator signature. He likes to give his female leads traditionally male names. George on Dead Like Me, for instance.

In-universe, an interview mentioned she was named after her father (so she's Michael Burnham, Junior?).

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By the way, on Netflix it's presented in HDR... and wow!!! If you get the chance to view it on a suitably equipped TV, you won't be disappointed!
I haven't watched via their dedicated apps, so I'm not sure how it is on TVs, but on a computer, CBS All Access seems to max out at a razor-sharp 720p resolution. So, I guess it's nice to know this'll be worth getting on disc visually, at least.

Also, there have been some orthos released already. Eaglemoss has Shenzhou and Discovery with textures, and there was a video with higher resolution and more angles on the Discovery, though it looks like it's actually the prototype model for the Christmas ornament and not the show model (the surface detail looks a bit thick, and there are no texture maps). Still, I don't think they've made it this easy for fan artists this early.
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I haven't watched via their dedicated apps, so I'm not sure how it is on TVs, but on a computer, CBS All Access seems to max out at a razor-sharp 720p resolution. So, I guess it's nice to know this'll be worth getting on disc visually, at least.
I couldn't tell if the episodes were being streamed in HD or Full HD, but the HDR presentation is breathtaking... pity it isn't 4K, but we can't have everything!

Definitely would be curious to see the comparison between the streaming and physical Blu-ray versions. Whenever I'm in-store or on Amazon, I try and see if the 4K Blu-ray version of a particular movie or TV series is available over the standard edition, but I'd be very surprised if Discovery came out in anything other than standard Blu-ray or DVD. In fact, the only TV series I've seen listed so far in 4K/HDR is Westworld.
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I read an interesting theory that All Access is probably less about being a viable platform that makes money directly, and more a negotiating cudgel against Amazon, Netflix, and others. Basically, they CBS wants to be able to say during their next negotiation that they got so many people to pay $7 a month (for the months of October and November 2017) just for their own content, so they deserve more money for licensing it out to dedicated streaming services.
Good for them, bad for Discovery if it gets caught in the middle. We'll see how it ends up, but pretty much every review states how the streaming model is the primary thing that could hurt this show.
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Canada is getting it on space which I think is a sat sub? Anywhere else off the Americas is Netflix the next day and is the only way to get 5.1 as All Access is 2.0
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In a flash of enthusiasm I watched the first scene this morning. It was awfully cheesy. I hope the rest of the episode is as good as the reviews suggest. But that first opener - they couldn't write better than that??
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My $0.02 after Episode 1.

1. The opening "badge" sequence was both clever and effective; however, it's a blatant rip-off of Star Trek: Into Darkness, so full credit must go to JJ;
2. I'm no expert on Klingonese, but is this series also taking liberties with the Klingon language?
3. Normally I would be confident with Michelle Yeoh, but she was poorly cast for her role and is failing miserably as captain in my opinion. Once the action moved to ship interior, I found myself fantasizing that Kate Mulgrew walks onto set and terminates the holodeck program;
4. In fact, the acting is generally stale all around, as if the cast is already expecting a short run;
5. Still, the 40 minutes passed quickly, and I'm trying to understand why.

I will continue watching Episode 2 with an open mind.
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I watched it last night and while I enjoyed the episode, I thought the opening credits were awful, they looked like a badly drawn cartoon from the 70's. If this show was on CBS or CW I'd watch it but I can't see paying for it. I just can't justify paying $5-$10 a month for this. I still think it looks too modern to be 10 years before Kirk unless it was in the Kelvin universe and not in the Prime universe. .
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I watched it last night and while I enjoyed the episode, I thought the opening credits were awful, they looked like a badly drawn cartoon from the 70's. If this show was on CBS or CW I'd watch it but I can't see paying for it. I just can't justify paying $5-$10 a month for this. I still think it looks too modern to be 10 years before Kirk unless it was in the Kelvin universe and not in the Prime universe. .
Really?

I realy enjoyed them, the most innovative part!
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Its kinda neutral, not really bad, not really good. Why is she called Michael? The holograms annoyed me, not just because they are a century too soon, but that they walk around and lean on things in a room they are not in. If we only see one person as the hologram why do they seem to get a whole room so that they have complete spacial awareness? Does their holographic room create solid walls they can lean on?
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Two episodes in and my early opinion is that it's awful. Bizarre story with very shaky logic to it, and poorly written characters with unsound motivation leading to their decisions. This is the best they can come up with? I guess I'll give it a couple more episodes but it's pretty dire. The captain was a block of wood, so all in all I'm glad the Klingon (if that's what he was) staked her like a vampire. There's a list of idiotic stuff in it a mile long.
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I have to say, I liked it. I am not a big Trek fan. So I am definitely no fan boy. But I really enjoyed it. CGI was great for a series, convincing actors and so on. But I think they did try to make a West World kind of opening credits, and that failed horrendously.
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Watched the first episode and certainly is impressive, but not sure about the redesigned Klingons. Probably continue watching episode two before bedtime.

By the way, on Netflix it's presented in HDR... and wow!!! If you get the chance to view it on a suitably equipped TV, you won't be disappointed!
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Couldn't help but pass by to say gidhey and share my thoughts. I loved it. I couldn't give a rats about canon. Like many of you, I grew up in the 60s and watched it all through the years, enjoying some and not so much others. Canon has been messed with so many times over the years, and I for one dont really give a damn. Knowing so many Trek veterans have been involved in this show, I for one always believed it was going to something I myself wanted to see.I had no problem with any of the characters and thought they all played out nicely. The bridge was alive and functional with a real sense that everyone was actually doing something , instead of just sitting there looking at the screen all the time. It was dynamic and I loved that. The camera work and editing really brought this too life as well. The effects were first rate for a tv series and I had no criticism there at all. Neville Page and Glenn Hetrick did an incredible job with the makeup and creature design. The Klingons although different, look very cool and I enjoyed this new version somewhat more than what we have seen before. These opening two episodes have yet to reveal even the very ship of the title, so I suspect there is a lot more to be revealed. Trek is personal to all of us who love it, but we will always agree to disagree on a variety of things. Personally, Im very pleased to have watched it and come out without disappointment.
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Just finished watching Star Trek Discovery. Loved it. But hated the way the Klingons looked, their ships, the retadrded way they spoke klingon. The title sequence was nice but didn't quite fit. Don't see how this works as a prequel though.
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Watched the first episode and certainly is impressive, but not sure about the redesigned Klingons. Probably continue watching episode two before bedtime.

By the way, on Netflix it's presented in HDR... and wow!!! If you get the chance to view it on a suitably equipped TV, you won't be disappointed!
You can only see it on Netflix if you live outside the US or pay CBS, I'm not sure what the quality is.
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I have to say I'm really disappointed by Discovery. All the hype around the female captain who was also a minority. Lauding it as a first et al. Then what do they do? They kill her off in the second episode! And then we see a preview for the rest of the series and what do they do? White male captain all the way! I will not watch it anymore just because of the bait and switch. (This is important to me because I have 4 daughters and we are currently watching The Next Generation together.) But even more so for a lot of the reasons other people mentioned (bad acting, weird storyline, etc.).
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Looked like 720p to me.
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I found it mixed.

Characters 2 dimensional, but they generally first appear as caricatures of themselves when first introduced in every trek series...

Redesigning klingons? Again? Sounds like a victory for the makeup department over common sense to me.

Actually having peiple IN space, rather than looking at it on a screen was a big plus for me.

Desert landscape and skies were insanely good.

Klingon ship looked like an attempt to use as many polygons as possible for no good reason.

If they had any kind of science advisor they were not listening, loads of howlers in there, (though others are probably a lot less bothered than me).

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Funny you should mention a science adviser, Andre Bormanis is the science advisor for Orville now.
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A science advisor who really wanted to be a writer.
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I don't have access to watch this but there is one thing I can say Star Trek: Discovery got right.

It's got the Star Trek touch when it comes to sparking discussions covering the gamut of opinion and also touching off raging debates (not here thankfully).

Re. female character named Michael. When I was a kid (early 1970's) I knew a girl at school who was named George. None of us kids thought it was odd.
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4 episodes in and it's pretty awful still. They've got a giant angry tardigrade that likes space mushrooms which can teleport them anywhere they want to go. That's the worst pseudo copy of Dune I've seen, and so stupid as well. Also, funny that there's no mention of these magic mushrooms in the next two centuries.

None of the characters seem acted well, or more likely they are written badly as the actors involved are quite good in other things. Burnham is being promoted by the stupidity of others it seems, like the suicidal security officer.

The effects are a bit suspect as well, like the teleport. Spinning the ship as part of the sequence looks dodgy, but the contra rotating saucer section is an awful, awful idea.

The Klingons. There's no acting under that make up, so they are one dimensional, and acutely boring. Used only as a remote threat so Discovery has to teleport. Really? Your primary dilithium source has no one in range to help?

This isn't going on the top shelf of Star Trek.
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I don't have access to watch this but there is one thing I can say Star Trek: Discovery got right.

It's got the Star Trek touch when it comes to sparking discussions covering the gamut of opinion and also touching off raging debates (not here thankfully).

Re. female character named Michael. When I was a kid (early 1970's) I knew a girl at school who was named George. None of us kids thought it was odd.
Dammit... guess ill have to STFU then
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Dammit... guess ill have to STFU then
ROFL!

Naw, mate, you're just expressing your "gamut of opinion"! Carry on!
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Well, i have watched all so far, it's getting better.

I don't understand why they hampered themselves with the whole timeline thing. Enterprise tried to do that and did it better than Discovery.

Why did they not just set it 30 years after Voyager or something like that and then just free themselves up to do what they please ?.

I have to agree with Andy this whole space magic mushrooms for propulsion has been done before and as it was playing out onscreen i heard myself shouting, the creature is the key before they revealed that it was the key, that's not a good sign for me.
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So anyone else catch the latest episode of swear trek?
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So anyone else catch the latest episode of swear trek?
i did catch the latest STD yes ^^

maybe my fave episode so far, first time i got that trek feeling with these people doing the right thing for once and letting Ripper go i still hate the klingons like why do they look like fish and why is the makeup so Heavy? they have no expressions at all just look at the female warden... facepalm... also the captain i REALLY dont like him and aperantly he escaped his last command alive BUT blew his crew up before doing so.. wtf is this show?

so yeah letting the bug go felt very trek and righteuos but the rest of the episode shit all over that feeling...

burnam is growing on me tho considering how much i despised her in the pilot she is currently the only character i feel have an actual conscience and the only one in the cast carrying the trek feeling atm..
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