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Old 4th Sep 2008, 08:57 AM   #1
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This contest represents the first time we have ever run a three month long contest and a compromise between popular opinion and actual merit. In the past I have always felt it was unfair for a vote to be driven be popularity alone since there is a tendency to overlook execution, poly efficiency, how well the artist adhered to the guidelines and etc. On the other hand a purely points based system takes the fun of a popular vote out of the equation, thereís nothing more fun than a good neck and neck race. So for this contest Iíve merged the two. The points will be added to the popular vote for the final outcome with each point counting as a vote.

The break down is as follows:

145 points equal a 1st place vote
120 points equal a 2nd place vote
80 - 60 points equal a 3rd place vote
55 - 20 points equal a 4th place vote

Before we start I want to give a huge thanks to all who started, whether you finish or not your willingness to participate helped make this a success and the shear volume of work and interest drew attention to the reason for the contest in the first place. And I would be remiss if I didnít take a little time to point that out yet again.

While I personally support copyright and trademark protection I do not believe in overly aggressive zealousness to the point people would not be allowed to paint, model or represent real life items in their work. Such is the case of Lockheed Martin in demonizing modelers and artists depicting aircraft commissioned by the people of the United States of America for wartime protection.

What I am about to say is my opinion not a lawyers so please take it as such. Much can be said and argued regarding who owns what but the fact is that once the design has been sold to the government (thatís We the People) it belongs to us collectively. It is our tax money paying for the design work and as such it belongs to the public interest.

Even if you donít subscribe to that notion it is never the less unthinkable that an artist may not represent those aircraft for public or private or for profit or not. With this contest it was our intent to draw attention to what we believe to be unscrupulous and unfair practices on the part of Lockheed Martin and encourage all members regardless of specific interest to engage their congressional leaders on this matter. For that purpose I am posting the contact links here.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation sent an open letter to Lockheed Martin fighting back against this extreme view on copyright/trademark infringement.

Contact your congressional leaders expressing your concern and the damage this aggressive stance will and is causing.



Part of the contest was to present all those who participated with a document outlining copyright/trademark and how to do that. True to my word I went and did my due diligence and present those documents here for everyone. A serendipity is that MattMan took the time to provide us with one for Australia and Bill has one for Canada as well. I was unable to find them but will add them as soon as I locate them.

US 3D Copyright.pdf



And now without further ado, for your consideration, in alphabetic order, the entries!

*I have provided the most complete view of thier work if it was incomplete.
**Clicking on their name will take you to their final presentation or their thread if incomplete.
+ Denotes those who completed the project




+ Alp




+ Artificial Imagination




+ BAROBA




+ BillS




Bishop




+ bmckain




+ CD2703




Crippled Pidgeon




+ Delta




Elowan




Escelce




Evolution




Gryshnak




juland




Madkoifish




Malcolm Reynolds




+ Mook




+ NW5586




ranger




+ Rigel




TheGreatRaja




Venom




virtualkey08




Voidster




youngheart80




Zippy


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Old 7th Sep 2008, 12:29 AM   #2
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I edited Alp's image at his request and btw, you can post to this thread, just making sure everyone knows that.
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Thanks , Bob

And I am sure everyone knows
The FAIRLifter's diagram was just a diagram , I would want people to see it in its real environment instead The diagram was more explanatory then representative, if you catch my drift, folks
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Great Work Everyone!!!
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This was tough as hell to nail down, even to 5. That's a tribute to everyone's work!
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Some fantastic stuff in there.
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This was tough as hell to nail down, even to 5. That's a tribute to everyone's work!
Yup, Bill
Even folks who did not finish made a good effort in form and design, and just for that they deserve appreciation.

Me, for instance, in all the rush during the last week of the contest and technicalities here and there, I forgot to make a beauty-shot
But I will add it up AFTER the voting is over
It is all set up and ready to F9

And, Bob, I think what needs to be done (in the next contests cause too late for here) is to make a score-based voting booth with scores for everyone, not just the first five places, because those of us who do not hit the first five, for various reasons, would still like to feel the heat of the race .

After all the main point of any contest should be to make all of us better, not just for some of us to win the price if you know what I mean.
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I was wondering how the points standings and the popular vote will be murged to become the final standings? I agree that this was a hard one to nail down, Good Luck Everyone!
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I was wondering how the points standings and the popular vote will be murged to become the final standings? I agree that this was a hard one to nail down, Good Luck Everyone!
I outlined that in the first post.
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Its a real range of skills on display and the imagination from the original setup is clearly firing here! Great work everyone who took part.... Especially those who went seriously in to their company and the design work, not just the pretty renders....

This was a great contest and the work speaks for itself.... It was a tough call to vote, but they always are....
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I outlined that in the first post.


Sorry, these long hours are getting to me...
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It is already September 10th here and only 38 people voted...
Maybe everybody should get a special newsletter bulletin?
With just 3 words in the middle saying Vote, Vote , Vote
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It is already September 10th here and only 38 people voted...
Maybe everybody should get a special newsletter bulletin?
With just 3 words in the middle saying Vote, Vote , Vote
linked to this thread
Yeah, I've noticed that and I've thought about it but I really don't like to send out more than one email from the site a month. Too many emails and people stop paying attention.
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It is already September 10th here and only 38 people voted...
Maybe everybody should get a special newsletter bulletin?
With just 3 words in the middle saying Vote, Vote , Vote
linked to this thread
Perhaps a word of mouth campaign by the members is inline. Nothing better than a grass roots movment.
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Runs out....
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Pant Pant Pant....
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Now that was a blitz!
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I think BillS's mouse finger must be out of breath
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wow!! now those are some good designs
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LOL, I think Bill wants you all to VOTE!
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No way? He was so subtle about it
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I was going to vote I was just putting it off. I mean I have a week. If we had a week to vote for the President I wouldn't do it on the first day...

Anyways, now that I've voted I'm surprised at some of the results.
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It has been fluctuating a bit hasn't it?
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It has been fluctuating a bit hasn't it?
It has. ( Statement not a question ). I voted on the second day and its changed a lot. But I think BillS voted more than once
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I was going to vote I was just putting it off. I mean I have a week. If we had a week to vote for the President I wouldn't do it on the first day...

Anyways, now that I've voted I'm surprised at some of the results.
Now, that's a curios response that I have to explore. Is that because you thought some were better than others or because you aren't familiar with the way the voting system works. Just curious.
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Now, that's a curios response that I have to explore. Is that because you thought some were better than others or because you aren't familiar with the way the voting system works. Just curious.

No, just me voting differently.

Is there anyway in the future that the polls could be set up so you can see all the results, and not just the Top 5?
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No, just me voting differently.

Is there anyway in the future that the polls could be set up so you can see all the results, and not just the Top 5?
Unfortunately only the result for the number of selections. This poll is a truely weighted system. the information on how it works is here. The quick description is that if first place is 2.0 then it had 2 percent of the population, the population begin those who have voted. And 1st is worth more than 2 which is worth more than 3 and etc. The more detailed explanation explains it in detail but its the same type of system used for voting.
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So its the Electoral College that picks the winner Sound familier.


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All that and I only dragged in 4 more!? Don't make me start necroposting!!!! Believe me... I'm not above doing it
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So its the Electoral College that picks the winner Sound familier.


LMAO
Oh no! The only difference here is that we have the popular vote and the points vote, we had to convert points to a vote syste, to be applied at the end of the popular vote. All that hard work has to count for something and past expereince showed us that a popular vote didn't always reflect whether the item was really better or not.
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