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Old 9th Nov 2012, 03:04 PM   #1
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We've added a new category under Misc called "Unfinished". I didn't realize we had requests for such a thing but turns out we did. The idea is if you have unfinished model(s) laying around that you don't want to move on with or just feel the desire to put it out there for others to muck about with then this is the category for it.

We'll see how it pans out and if it gets a ton of stuff then we can worry about sub sections later.

I am thinking I won't necessarily add these to the resource updates unless everyone has a reason contrary?

I would also think that if you use them you should give some credit to the original author to avoid any potential for hard feelings?
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Unfinished? That's about 95% of every project i've tried
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Unfinished? That's about 95% of every project i've tried
Heh, well for me... I am the 99%...
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Have I ever finished a project?

Well, there was the MiG 3, although I recently went back and changed it. So maybe it's finished now.

There was the 747 I uploaded. I haven't done anything more to it so I think it's finished.

Ummmm. That's about it I guess.
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Is it fair to assume that projects uploaded to 'unfinished' can be freely modified and rereleased?

It doesn't make a lot of sense otherwise, unless someone wants to loot and pillage them for nurnies, (which is a worthy end in itself!)

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Is it fair to assume that projects uploaded to 'unfinished' can be freely modified and rereleased?

It doesn't make a lot of sense otherwise, unless someone wants to loot and pillage them for nurnies, (which is a worthy end in itself!)

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That was my intent when I asked for it. A chance to clean house of all the stuff I will never get back to and finish, and allow it to at least see some action for all the wasted hours of labor otherwise.

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Is it fair to assume that projects uploaded to 'unfinished' can be freely modified and rereleased?

It doesn't make a lot of sense otherwise, unless someone wants to loot and pillage them for nurnies, (which is a worthy end in itself!)

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You are correct!

A note to anyone who uploads a model to the Unfinished category: the spirit of this category is that you are putting a model here in the hopes that someone else will pick it up and finish it.

If you download a model from Unfinished and actually finish it, then please be kind and upload it to one of the finished categories.
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Is it fair to assume that projects uploaded to 'unfinished' can be freely modified and rereleased?

It doesn't make a lot of sense otherwise, unless someone wants to loot and pillage them for nurnies, (which is a worthy end in itself!)

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Looks like you got your answer but yes which is why I asked the question in the first post. Does it also make sense the original author should get a credit mention too? I think the answer is yes but would like input on that.
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Looks like you got your answer but yes which is why I asked the question in the first post. Does it also make sense the original author should get a credit mention too? I think the answer is yes but would like input on that.
I'd say almost always - I only say almost because someone might use the upload as a template, or do so much work that there arte no originbal polygons left.

How do people feel about part built models being used for nurnies / kitbash ?

I think its a good way to go.
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Actually this might have other beneficial effects...

I thought almost immediately of my Itahacus / Icarus / Rombus prject, (attached).

I abandoned it becaue I was thinking it would look great in animations, but there was no way the legs would work as designed - the cables have to cut through the hull midway as they deploy.

But looking at it fresh made me think - I could at least get it so the two different states of legs up and down are done, which is good for stills...
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I'd say almost always - I only say almost because someone might use the upload as a template, or do so much work that there arte no originbal polygons left.

How do people feel about part built models being used for nurnies / kitbash ?

I think its a good way to go.
That was why I was asking. If I provided such a low poly version of a model that it only served as a rough template then I wouldn't expect credit for it. We're on the same page here.
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I intend to upload a few things that I have tripped over on my drive that I have to be honest with myself that I will never get back to. It's hard enough for me in my RL right now to keep up any stamina on Clavius.

One item is the Nautilus Shell ship I started on a few years ago. Not much surfacing done to it, and there are other things I have, that are even less completed.

I have no problem whatsoever any of this stuff being hacked up for parts. The whole point was to see it get some use so...

I think for me personally it will be therapeutic to shed this stuff, so I can feel better about other things.
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I agree. If a significant chunk of the downloaded model remains in the completed version, the original modeller should be credited. But if it ends up being 90% redone, I think it becomes an original work. That said, there's no harm in people acknowledging where their inspiration came from.

Essentially, I think the idea with this category is to say, I'm done with it, I give it up to world, do as you please. Acknowledgements appreciated but not required. You know, you're making it public domain.
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Jeez, that sounds like most of my content folder.
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Would this be lightwave models only?
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Would this be lightwave models only?
If its part done and probably not textured properly I'd figure the more widely supported the format the better... OBJ!
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Heck no! We don't want the world thinking only Lightwavers never finish projects.



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If its part done and probably not textured properly I'd figure the more widely supported the format the better... OBJ!
Good suggestion. OBJ format for an untextured model especially.
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When we up load to the "Unfinished" category how are we presenting them i.e. image wise. I don’t want to be misleading anyone to thinking there getting something more than what it is, clay render, wire frame, screen grab….like this? And is there going to be a standardized piece of text for this category?
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I like the idea!

But I would prefer the *.fbx format, because C4D does import the *.obj format just with triangular polygons.
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When we up load to the "Unfinished" category how are we presenting them i.e. image wise. I don’t want to be misleading anyone to thinking there getting something more than what it is, clay render, wire frame, screen grab….like this? And is there going to be a standardized piece of text for this category?
I'd have thought a screen grab of the model would be fine - whatever shows the state of it best.
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[ Grumpy Soapbox ]

Considering this is a section for unfinished and not polished works, and that the idea is to share it without further effort, requiring OBJ and FBX with whatever current texturing/surfacing is in place is a tad annoying.

I suggest that a submission be uploaded in (AS-IS) whatever format it is currently in, and since the idea is to share, that others be free to load up the resource and convert it for other formats for resubmission along side the original version. I have NO problems with others jumping in and converting this stuff for FBX, C4D, etc, this stuff is unfinished work and is probably in a better state for conversion than finished work would be.

I don't know about everyone else, but I want to be done and done with this stuff when I upload it.

My version of Lightwave is a tad older, I'm pretty sure I can save out OBJ versions as well as the native format, but putting in extra effort for the newer formats such as FBX and stuff defeats the whole purpose of this idea in my opinion.

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As for images, whatever suits you best.

The description field is where you say it's polygons, or nurbs, has UV's or doesn't, has textures, or doesn't etc.
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Sounds a great idea mate, but im thinking you may be sorry. In a good way for us but bad for you and allot more work involved
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Just uploaded a file for this category.
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O.k. I two have just uploaded these three meshes, (it was my first time so i apologize for my ignorance if it was done incorrectly) not that anyone will be even remotely interested in them. Probably waiting for all the sci-fi stuff to appear.
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LOL, somehow we get a bad rap that way. I for one enjoy resources of any type. I can already see myself trying my hand at texturing the pocket watch.

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