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Old 17th Jun 2016, 03:33 AM   #1
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Default Star Trek - 1701-A Saucer Detail Confirmation

I'm having difficulty finding a film confirmation to this question, as there seems to be a bias for port-side camera angles in the movies. I'm hoping there are enough eagle-eyed Trek detailers here at F3D to set me straight.

Is it correct that the words "STARSHIP U.S.S. ENTERPRISE - UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS" originally appeared on both the port and starboard edges of the 1701 refit saucer, but the starboard side print is completely removed on the 1701-A saucer, and only appears port side with the hatch?



The attached photo shows the starboard side of the 1701 refit; so the question is whether that is also correct detailing for the 1701-A.

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I think it was on the -A but not on the original refit prior to st3 Some footage in st3 when in drydock and the Kbop face off promo image (used the same footage) show nothing there on the right side.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/sc...stitution1.htm
Last image second row of the refit gallery
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/sc...edock-st3.jpg\
Image below that is a -A one and shows the decal there. It is also present tat the christies auction photos.
http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...A/IMG_1813.JPG

Also based on the unequal spacing of the windows on the physical model that the dot is where the decal is centered.

http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=16470
http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpres...1701-A-008.jpg

http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=15430

Guy who had a tonne of behind scenes pre -a images has taken the images down as well as the site is now dead so I dunno where there is a resource for that.

Others who have modeled this ship might have better images as I just quickly scanned through mine and found online resources to link.
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I think it was on the -A but not on the original refit prior to st3 Some footage in st3 when in drydock and the Kbop face off promo image (used the same footage) show nothing there on the right side.
Ah! So you're saying the situation is actually reverse: It was the refit in TMP through ST3 that had the saucer decal only on the port side.

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Image below that is a -A one and shows the decal there. It is also present tat the christies auction photos.
http://www.mutara.net/Christies/deta...A/IMG_1813.JPG
Bingo! Ok, if that is indeed a studio model of the 1701-A, then there's no question the saucer presented decals on both sides. Thanks so much, Madkoifish
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This inspired me to check on another marking detail for the ship I half-noticed but never looked into.

It looks like in TMP alone, the "Enterprise" marking below the shuttlebay door was framed by two lines, like "— ENTERPRISE —," but they're missing from TWOK onward.

I really like all these minor differences. It helps give the -refit and the -A their own character, even if it's subtle.
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NP,

Yeah, I am sure a lot changed after TMP as ILM matte coated the ship and repainted sections if I recall. Some articles say they repainted the entire model but others say it was mostly a clear matte coat to dull her down for the ILM green/blue screen methods as the gloss would reflect the colour and cause holes or drops when they went to composite matte the film.
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