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Old 1st Dec 2007, 02:09 AM   #1
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Default Space - N1-L3 Soviet Moon Rocket

While I twiddle about with the textures, I have got started on the upper fairings for the L3 part of the N1-L3 Soviet moon rocket.

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Old 1st Dec 2007, 07:03 AM   #2
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I see the monster made it over here
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She lives

You should do a post with selected progress images from the old thread.
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Looks Great. 1 question... in the first image, the shadow being cast on the rear section looks off. Look at the lower right side of the shadow, looks like light is showing thru a single sided poly...
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You should do a post with selected progress images from the old thread.
Do you think people would be interested in seeing that? Nice idea though...
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Looks Great. 1 question... in the first image, the shadow being cast on the rear section looks off. Look at the lower right side of the shadow, looks like light is showing thru a single sided poly...
Dang!

Well spotted, looks like I have a problem with the bits that connect the inner and outer hull polygons. I must admit I still don't fully understand what makes this stuff leak...

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Old 1st Dec 2007, 09:01 AM   #7
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Well, just for those who may have missed the early long thread, here are some pictures of the booster, (the actual N-1), including one done sketch style.

The cosmonaut is to scale.
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Thanks for getting this going over here!
I for one am looking forward to you animating this launching and breaking apart!
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^^ what he said!
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Starbase!

Glad you made it. And yes, I think you should repost some of your w.i.p. pics. They were very interesting.
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Continues to be a beauty, Starbase1. I take it you're going to work on the booster textures before starting on the spacecraft themselves?
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Glad you made it. And yes, I think you should repost some of your w.i.p. pics. They were very interesting.
I'll dig some out, and repost. Also I'm still adding stuff to the reference site I am buiilding on this rocket
http://www.starbase1.co.uk/n1/

The galleries contain some shots of work so far, as well as loads of photos I have gathered.
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Continues to be a beauty, Starbase1. I take it you're going to work on the booster textures before starting on the spacecraft themselves?
Yes, I am working on the textures. This is proving a bit tricky, including perhaps surprisingly doing the grey paint! I'm finding it difficult to get the right level of subtle detail - simple flat grey with some specular looks unatturally simple, and bump that shows at large scales looks wrong. I'm geting there though.

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OK, here's a selection from the development process of the rebooted N1, I think most appeared inthe previous thread...

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OK, further work on the L3 fairings...

Note how the upper conical section splits perpendicular to the lower cylindrical pair of chunks...

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Sweet! And congrats on the Front Page!

I've often wondered if the Soviets would have lost someone on the moon, had they ever got this beast to fly successfully. They took a lot of risks to "beat us" in spaceflight goals. I suspect a lunar landing would have pushed them even harder.

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Sweet! And congrats on the Front Page!

I've often wondered if the Soviets would have lost someone on the moon, had they ever got this beast to fly successfully. They took a lot of risks to "beat us" in spaceflight goals. I suspect a lunar landing would have pushed them even harder.

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What again?!?! That's three times with this beast! It's getting embarrassing!


Personally I don't think they would have taken a risk - a moon landing would have been very public. I mean, they had 4 unmanned test flights, and 2 more ready to launch when the progran was cancelled.

The Soyuz was being tested independantly and rapidly became very reliable, it's basically extremely similar to the craft used today. (And a stretch soyuz is being considered again for a lunar orbital flight now).

Leonov was first in line to fly to the moon and land because of his good experience with difficult space walks. I have some very odd film of how they trained for lunar gravity, it's rather clever. Imagine someone walking around the side of a big traffic cone, so they are nearly parallel to the ground, supported by ropes going up from the hip. It's a rather effective simulation of lower gravity, without going underwater!

While some extreme risks were taken under Kruschev to get space firsts, the rest of the manned programs were undertaken with great regard for safety, with a higher level of unmanned testing than the USA, (such as the unmanned test flight of Buran / Energia).

I have also followed several discussionss amongst Russian space experts, and many of them conclude that the most likely program for success may well have been to get the big hardware into Earth orbit with two N1 launches (!), then send the cosmonauts up in an R7 to join the moon craft.

(Interesting to note that the soviets had a big push for a long time to rate their craft for long stays in orbit, this shows today in the way that a soyuz TMA can stay docked for months on end and still be considered perfectly safe for rentry. Also note that if a Soyuz is damaged on it's way up to the ISS, it is a very simple matter to send up another one to collect the crew. Speaking personally I would feel a lot safer flying in a soyuz than a shuttle)


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More updates on the upper L3 fairing...
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Looking good.

So when are you going to blow this thing up? Er, I mean, launch it?
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And here are the first shots of the entire assembled stack. Still bits to go, but these kind of all up ortho shots make it a lot easier to compare with plans and check everything is lined up correctly.
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Excellent work! This must have been a sight to see when launched.
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very cool!
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Looks good to me.
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She coming along great, glad to see its still going, how many polys now
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She coming along great, glad to see its still going, how many polys now
376k polygons so far...
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Looks nice
so how complete is it
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Looks nice
so how complete is it
Well... Complete compared to the real thing, or in terms of how far I intend to go?!?!

There's about 30% of the work on the outer L3 to go, there are some fixes on the list for lower stages, but I have very recently found some new and highly detailed photos (which I am not permited to show) with a lot of extra detail...

The texturing is going slowly, which is silly because that bit should be easy.

To launch it I need to go back to the launch site model, and finish that (I really hate that gantry, again lots of new info means more work and some rebuilding), I also need to get the hang of a believable rocket exhaust...

The parts directly under the upper fairing I have VERY few pictures of. I also intend to fully model the LOK lunar orbiter and the lander. Then I can do the entire mission!

I'm guessing maybe this time next year?!?!

In terms of complete compared to the real thing, I'm trying to take it right down to the level of accurate rivet patterns, (but not individual rivets!). The plans I am working to only really give dimensions for major features but these are to the millimetre.

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I'm bringing this one back to life to finish it off, after a quiet period...

I got a very good new shot of the upper section of the L3, very sharp and detailed! It also has the only example I have seen of lettering on the hull. Unfortunately the only readable bit is the roman numberal "VI", which I think refers to the L3 section for the sixth vehicle, the N1-6L. As if two cyrillic letter encodings were not bad enough, I now have roman numerals to fight as well...

I was not sure what to do about the unreaqdable bit - in the end I decided to stick on a postmark and my name! That way it will look rgood from a distance, but people can tell its not authentic if they get close.


I don't plan on getting this close to it, but I could not resist going for at least some of the fine details.

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Nice to see you back at it Nick.

Yep, postmark and name look good at that range. Looks like some kind of official lettering.
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Exclamation Yep, the thread is back from the dead!

With what I have learned in the last few months, I think I am ready for another serious crack at getting the soviet moon project back on track. I'm restarting with the 'LOK' or Lunniy Orbitalniy Korabl, (unar Orbital Craft), their equivalent of the Command Module.

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