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Gordon Robb · 4th January 2010, 06:22 PM

OK, been wrangling with this over Christmas break on and off. First time I've really had a go at trying to create a likeness in Zbrush. Whole thing is created from a polysphere 'cept the hair which is a seperate object. Will need some retopologising to facilitate getting more details. Ears are place holders, hair is nowhere near finished.

I'm not happy with the likeness but I'm beginning to see the character in the sculpt.

Would welcome all the crits and comments anyone can give. This will hopefully end up being 3D printed so the likeness needs to stand without the aid of a texture.

***Edit*** Uploaded bigger picture

MattMan · 4th January 2010, 06:34 PM

This Invisible Man...??

EDIT: Dammit, you uploaded the picture...

MattMan · 4th January 2010, 06:36 PM

It looks a bit like the 80's "Hoff" from Knight Rider...

Gordon Robb · 4th January 2010, 06:36 PM

Hehe, you must have looked while I was changing it for a bigger version.

TZY · 4th January 2010, 06:58 PM

Ooo Ooo I know ...
Its that guy from that thingy...you know...haha

Sorry about that...good work though.

Gordon Robb · 4th January 2010, 07:06 PM

Hehe, no not the hoff, (although I can see the likeness. I think its the hair.)

Going to retopologise tomorrow night and that will facilitate tweaking a lot easier at lower resolutions.

Tony Gardner · 5th January 2010, 09:23 AM

The face reminds me a little of the guy who played Spike in Buffy but the hair and the shape of the head would be wrong.

youngheart80 · 5th January 2010, 09:38 AM

Hmm...Looks like Kyle Maclachlan during his Dune performance.

Rigel · 5th January 2010, 03:13 PM

Not fair! Both of my guesses were taken already.

Guess I need to move faster, heh heh.

Jmoney · 5th January 2010, 03:40 PM

Looks exactly like Paul Atreides (Dune). I agree with youngheart80. Nice sculpt. I'm about to try out Mudbox for the first time. Have you ever tried Mudbox? How are you liking ZBrush? ZBrush is an awesome application, but the layout and menus confuse the hell out of me!

JMoney

Mikala · 5th January 2010, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattMan

It looks a bit like the 80's "Hoff" from Knight Rider...

So I was not the only one!
Keep banging away at it Gordon it will come out of the stone as it is just waiting there already for you to find it.

Nays · 5th January 2010, 04:20 PM

Anakin Skywalker?

Looking pretty good.

Woody · 5th January 2010, 04:39 PM

Muad'dib. Hair needs alot of work, but you already pointed that out.

BillS · 5th January 2010, 06:40 PM

Haven't got a clue... but now I'll know when you post updates

Gordon Robb · 5th January 2010, 06:47 PM

Hehe, I still look at that first shot and can only see the Hoff. I wasn't going to let on, as I really wanted it to get to the stage that there was no doubt but there have been a couple of guesses at Paul Atreides.

I spent this evening retopologising, and then using the move brush to manipulate the forms a lot more. I also got a Gnomon video on Sculpting a likeness and there was some good stuff in there. I also found a tutorial on the net about using photoshop to comp your sculpt on actual photos, and then removing bits of it to make sure that each part looks the part. The mouth was by far the hardest to get close, but I am a lot happier in general.

Views?

Gordon Robb · 7th January 2010, 04:24 AM

I plan to do some more tweaking of this tonight. In the meantime, anyone got any views or areas that they think don't look right?

PolyGone · 7th January 2010, 05:17 AM

You know who else he kinda looks like?

Right there, front and center.

Epiphany · 7th January 2010, 05:37 AM

For some reason I was thinking of Alexander the Great

Kind reminds me of a sculpture of him

Gordon Robb · 7th January 2010, 05:39 AM

Sorry, I had confirmed that it is meant to be Paul Atredies (Kyle McLachlan).

I was just looking for other eyes to say what was right/wrong about it.

Woody · 7th January 2010, 06:03 AM

Can you post your reference images Gordon? It may help get you more constructive feedback.

Gordon Robb · 7th January 2010, 06:19 AM

Sure thing sir.

I am using many different angles for reference, but here are the front and side views.

Treybor · 7th January 2010, 10:49 AM

He was so young then.....
Make the jaw slight broader along the lower edge.
Make teh cheek bone slightly broader as well.

His bone structure almost creates an X shape rather than a square or round shape.

Woody · 7th January 2010, 03:57 PM

Not that I'm any expert, but I tend to think in terms of profiles, landmarks
and their relationships. The markup shows the sort of things that go on
constantly in my head when I'm sculpting.

Ultimately, the process is to build the profile to the proper depths, match
the widths of the features and their position relative to other features, then
tweak in three quarter view, and polish using other views for reference....
One thing that may be robbing you a little bit is that you cannot get the two
views to match up exactly, in my example I had to rotate the side view back
(the front view is from a slightly low angle), but the eyes would not line up.
His brows are higher in the profile, and the eyelids open wider, so it requires
a little bit of judgement, but if the major forms are in place, the rest should follow.

Gordon Robb · 7th January 2010, 06:15 PM

Cheers guys. Didn't get much chance to do anything with it tonight.

Sean: Like the idea of the X and I see what you mean.

Woody: Thanks for the markup. Problem is that I haven't really been using these views. I did that with the first attemps (which you saw), but in Zbrush, it's not very easy to use references like these. I may go back and model the base mesh in LW as I will find it easier to get right I think. I will find images that match better I think.

Thanks for your help guys.

Gordon Robb · 7th January 2010, 06:32 PM

Had one last bout of tweaking before bed. It's amazing how much difference little tweaks make.

Woody · 7th January 2010, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Robb

...in Zbrush, it's not very easy to use references like these...

http://www.pixologic.com/docs/index.php/Image_Plane

Though if you still want to model the base in Lightwave, I wouldn't fault you -
I (almost) always start with a basemesh from an outside modeling application.

Treybor · 7th January 2010, 07:24 PM

I wish I could afford Zbrush.....

Mikala · 7th January 2010, 07:29 PM

I wish I was rich. I'd be sending a few copies out to people!

Woody · 7th January 2010, 07:36 PM

True. ZBrush is the shizzle.

Gordon Robb · 8th January 2010, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

http://www.pixologic.com/docs/index.php/Image_Plane

Though if you still want to model the base in Lightwave, I wouldn't fault you -
I (almost) always start with a basemesh from an outside modeling application.

Oh I know 'how' to do it, I just find it cumbersome at best, and greatly depends on the image you're using. I bought a tutorial on modelling a likeness using Zbrush, and it stayed completely away from image plane. Which is what I did for this mesh. I'll come back with the LW mesh (although my objective was doing it in ZBrush only

)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Treybor

I wish I could afford Zbrush.....

You would love it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikala

I wish I was rich. I'd be sending a few copies out to people!

I'm with you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

True. ZBrush is the shizzle.

It is......zzle

4th January 2010, 06:22 PM	#1
Gordon Robb Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,512	Movie & TV Related - Dune - Paul Muad'Dib Zbrush Sculpt OK, been wrangling with this over Christmas break on and off. First time I've really had a go at trying to create a likeness in Zbrush. Whole thing is created from a polysphere 'cept the hair which is a seperate object. Will need some retopologising to facilitate getting more details. Ears are place holders, hair is nowhere near finished. I'm not happy with the likeness but I'm beginning to see the character in the sculpt. Would welcome all the crits and comments anyone can give. This will hopefully end up being 3D printed so the likeness needs to stand without the aid of a texture. *Edit* Uploaded bigger picture Attached Thumbnails
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4th January 2010, 06:34 PM	#2
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4th January 2010, 06:36 PM	#3
MattMan Administrator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 1,818	It looks a bit like the 80's "Hoff" from Knight Rider...
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4th January 2010, 06:36 PM	#4
Gordon Robb Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,512	Hehe, you must have looked while I was changing it for a bigger version.
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4th January 2010, 07:06 PM	#6
Gordon Robb Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,512	Hehe, no not the hoff, (although I can see the likeness. I think its the hair.) Going to retopologise tomorrow night and that will facilitate tweaking a lot easier at lower resolutions.
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4th January 2010, 06:58 PM	#5
TZY Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 21	Ooo Ooo I know ... Its that guy from that thingy...you know...haha Sorry about that...good work though.

5th January 2010, 09:23 AM	#7
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5th January 2010, 09:38 AM	#8
youngheart80 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA Posts: 96	Hmm...Looks like Kyle Maclachlan during his Dune performance.

5th January 2010, 03:13 PM	#9
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5th January 2010, 03:40 PM	#10
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5th January 2010, 04:20 PM	#12
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5th January 2010, 04:39 PM	#13
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5th January 2010, 06:47 PM	#15
Gordon Robb Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,512	Hehe, I still look at that first shot and can only see the Hoff. I wasn't going to let on, as I really wanted it to get to the stage that there was no doubt but there have been a couple of guesses at Paul Atreides. I spent this evening retopologising, and then using the move brush to manipulate the forms a lot more. I also got a Gnomon video on Sculpting a likeness and there was some good stuff in there. I also found a tutorial on the net about using photoshop to comp your sculpt on actual photos, and then removing bits of it to make sure that each part looks the part. The mouth was by far the hardest to get close, but I am a lot happier in general. Views? Attached Thumbnails
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7th January 2010, 04:24 AM	#16
Gordon Robb Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,512	I plan to do some more tweaking of this tonight. In the meantime, anyone got any views or areas that they think don't look right?
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7th January 2010, 05:17 AM	#17
PolyGone Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 305	You know who else he kinda looks like? Right there, front and center.

7th January 2010, 05:37 AM	#18
Epiphany Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 3,275	For some reason I was thinking of Alexander the Great Kind reminds me of a sculpture of him
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7th January 2010, 05:39 AM	#19
Gordon Robb Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,512	Sorry, I had confirmed that it is meant to be Paul Atredies (Kyle McLachlan). I was just looking for other eyes to say what was right/wrong about it.
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7th January 2010, 06:03 AM	#20
Woody Administrator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Foundation 3D Posts: 2,101	Can you post your reference images Gordon? It may help get you more constructive feedback.
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7th January 2010, 06:19 AM	#21
Gordon Robb Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,512	Sure thing sir. I am using many different angles for reference, but here are the front and side views. Attached Thumbnails
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7th January 2010, 10:49 AM	#22
Treybor Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,291	He was so young then..... Make the jaw slight broader along the lower edge. Make teh cheek bone slightly broader as well. His bone structure almost creates an X shape rather than a square or round shape.
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7th January 2010, 03:57 PM	#23
Woody Administrator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Foundation 3D Posts: 2,101	Not that I'm any expert, but I tend to think in terms of profiles, landmarks and their relationships. The markup shows the sort of things that go on constantly in my head when I'm sculpting. Ultimately, the process is to build the profile to the proper depths, match the widths of the features and their position relative to other features, then tweak in three quarter view, and polish using other views for reference.... One thing that may be robbing you a little bit is that you cannot get the two views to match up exactly, in my example I had to rotate the side view back (the front view is from a slightly low angle), but the eyes would not line up. His brows are higher in the profile, and the eyelids open wider, so it requires a little bit of judgement, but if the major forms are in place, the rest should follow. Attached Thumbnails
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7th January 2010, 06:15 PM	#24
Gordon Robb Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,512	Cheers guys. Didn't get much chance to do anything with it tonight. Sean: Like the idea of the X and I see what you mean. Woody: Thanks for the markup. Problem is that I haven't really been using these views. I did that with the first attemps (which you saw), but in Zbrush, it's not very easy to use references like these. I may go back and model the base mesh in LW as I will find it easier to get right I think. I will find images that match better I think. Thanks for your help guys.
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7th January 2010, 06:32 PM	#25
Gordon Robb Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,512	Had one last bout of tweaking before bed. It's amazing how much difference little tweaks make. Attached Thumbnails
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7th January 2010, 07:24 PM	#27
Treybor Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,291	I wish I could afford Zbrush.....
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7th January 2010, 07:29 PM	#28
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7th January 2010, 07:36 PM	#29
Woody Administrator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Foundation 3D Posts: 2,101	True. ZBrush is the shizzle.
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